• underwire212@lemm.ee
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    I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you here, but thought I’d provide a counter argument.

    A group of children are dying of a horrible, deadly disease that can only be cured with the bark from a specific tree. So we go into the forest and chop this tree down to save the children from an excruciating disease.

    A squirrel had built its entire home in that tree. That tree was everything to the squirrel. Now the squirrel has nothing and will suffer because we chopped down its home.

    How do we explain this to the squirrel? Well, we can’t. No matter how hard we try, we can’t explain why we needed to destroy its home. The squirrel is physically incapable of understanding.

    Playing devils advocate here, perhaps the reason for the need for human suffering is so beyond our understanding and comprehension that we are just physically incapable of understanding. Maybe we’re just squirrels, and human suffering needs to happen for some greater purpose unbeknownst to us.

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      2 days ago

      We’re talking about the Abrahamic trio, so God is supposed to be all powerful. That means there is nothing beyond his power. There is no “can only” or “can’t” or “incapable” for him. He can have His cure and save the tree too, He doesn’t have to choose. Your example only works if God is limited in some capacity, and has to make trade offs that we can’t understand.

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        1 day ago

        A parent can easily do their children’s homework. How does that benefit the kids? A passing mark doesn’t mean the kid understands and the lessons don’t get easier.

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          The “homework” you’re talking about is war, starvation, disease, rape, slavery, and death.

          A parent is supposed to help their children, not torture them to death for a “lesson”.

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            We did that. It’s our mess to clean up.

            Oh, but I never voted for that politician! Did we do anything besides vote and clicktivism?

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              Disease? Starvation? Disaster? Let us not pretend like God didn’t create human evil either. For what? For fun? “To teach us a lesson”?

              The all powerful, all knowing God never seems to do anything either in case you haven’t noticed.

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                So we’re given the means to solve these tests. When we learn to work together to solve them, rather than “punishing” each other, we get closer to solving them. Disasters happen, whether natural or man-made. We either work together or we don’t. Test time.

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                  1 day ago

                  We aren’t given the means to solve every “test” - sometimes people just die in twisted agony because the test is impossible.

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                    No it isn’t. We may have to repeat lessons for a few lifetimes though. And everyone dies. We’re not meant to live forever.

                    I was like this for decades. Then I went hunting. When I made peace with myself, I made peace with God. that means it took looking in the mirror, and still does.