During Tuesdayā€™s hearing, Gabbard told Warner that the Signal thread didnā€™t share any classified information but refused to share its contents, or even admit that she was on the chain.

ā€œIf itā€™s not classified, share the texts now,ā€ Warner told Gabbard. ā€œShare it with the committee. You canā€™t have it both ways. These are important jobs. This is our national security.ā€

Bitch, we can smell the bullshit 500 miles away.

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    So why should we spend any effort towards measuring what level weā€™re each opposed to mass murder, instead of actually opposing it while itā€™s happening?

    Mostly because Iā€™m mad. I mean this is the Fediverse not a council meeting that will decide the fate of the Free Worldā„¢, thereā€™s nothing wrong with doing wasteful things. Also since Iā€™m not American Iā€™m not a member of the coalition youā€™re trying to build anyway.

    Itā€™s wasteful at best, and creates fractures in a needed united front against mass murdering corporate narcissists at worst.

    That united front will never happen. Ideologically committed liberals will always side with fascists against leftists or try to win on their own; itā€™s just how theyā€™re made. The Gestapo ICE will be knocking on your door and theyā€™ll still argue that a UBI is going too far and they canā€™t support your program. Donā€™t believe me? Look at what the Dem leadership is doing. Liberals simply donā€™t consider people to their left allies, but rather threats to their capitalist overlords. Not that that has anything to do with this conversation, but yeah.

    Yet youā€™re enjoying the boot, and feel itā€™s earned, instead of aligning with the people itā€™s on who you clearly agree more with.

    Huh? I never said anything about any boots being earned.

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      ā€¦ thereā€™s nothing wrong with doing wasteful things.

      Agreed.

      But I prefer to live a productive life instead of a wasteful one.

      Especially when wasting your life involves picking on a currently oppressed group instead of their oppressors. If your anger stems from liberals lack of empathy, you are certainly lacking it towards them now that theyā€™re oppressed.

      So if you want to waste your life being an angry hypocrite in this way, I will not stop you, but I will point it out.

      And let me know where in the world youā€™re living if you feel you are currently safe from the Russia fueled right-wing populist hate machine. Iā€™d gladly move there to escape the grip they are tightening on the world.

      Especially considering how effectively they dismantled the US, have now weaponized their military (the largest in the world by several factors), and have publicly stated their interest to take over Canada, Greenland, and Panama.

      If thereā€™s a safe place on this planet that escapes their grasp, let me know, especially since you already feel:

      ā€¦that united front will never happen.

      Seeing as a united front is the only way this ends well for humanity instead of Oligarchs, I guess weā€™ll have to wait 4 years to find out if youā€™re just being wasteful, or dangerously naive.

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        But I prefer to live a productive life instead of a wasteful one.

        Wow thatā€™s dramatic.

        Especially when wasting your life involves picking on a currently oppressed group instead of their oppressors. If your anger stems from liberals lack of empathy, you are certainly lacking it towards them now that theyā€™re oppressed.

        How is criticism a ā€œlack of empathyā€?

        And let me know where in the world youā€™re living if you feel you are currently safe from the Russia fueled right-wing populist hate machine. Iā€™d gladly move there to escape the grip they are tightening on the world.

        Egypt and Japan, but I wonā€™t recommend the former. Japan is run by a bunch of conservative fuckwats donā€™t get me wrong, but theyā€™re Reagan-era fiscal responsibility conservative fuckwats, not ethnostate conservative fuckwats (probably because Japan is already an ethnostate, but likely also because Japan refuses to evolve beyond the 80s).

        Seeing as a united front is the only way this ends well for humanity instead of Oligarchs,

        Itā€™sā€¦ not. Right now people will follow whoever promises to do things and then follows through on that promise. If liberals arenā€™t willing to be that (and theyā€™re not), people will simply abandon liberals, but there must first be someone willing to publicly attack liberals and steal their base. This has happened before (see: 1917 Russia).

        I guess weā€™ll have to wait 4 years to find out if youā€™re just being wasteful, or dangerously naive.

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          Wow thatā€™s dramatic.

          You literally admitteded to wanting to be wasteful. So itā€™s not dramatic to point out that over time, if all you do is wasteful things with your life, then itā€™s been a wasteful one. Thatā€™s how life works.

          How is criticism a ā€œlack of empathyā€?

          Itā€™s not your criticism that lacks empathy, itā€™s your choice in who to criticise.

          Youā€™re taking the time to make your opinion public, and that time could be spent doing or saying anything else.

          What you choose to say and do, is at the cost of what you could also be doing or saying with your time.

          For example:

          Libs choose not to say anything about drone strikes when itā€™s inconvenient.

          Their choice to turn a blind eye, is why you feel they lack empathy.

          The Right is attacking Democracy worldwide and has succeeded in taking over the US where they have recently enacted policies killing woman (abortion bans), incited LQBTQIA violence and murder, and readily exploit the elderly (antivax BS, removal of social security).

          Recent estimates put preventable abortion deaths at 10,000 women a month in Texas alone, not to mention the GOPā€™s support of actual genocide in Isreal.

          All of this, you have choosen to say nothing about. So just like the libs, it appears youā€™re turning a blind eye to it.

          Because If you actually cared about those commiting mass murder, it stands to reason you would choose to express an opinion against the group doing it the most worldwide, instead of the group who has no power to do it any longer.

          In choosing to be critical of libs for actions that others are doing worse on a far larger scale is what makes your opinion lack empathy. Because it quite literally could have more empathy if it was directed towards the larger group now doing all the mass murdering.

          Libs donā€™t want to talk about drone strikes killing people (just the ā€œterroristsā€ that do), and you donā€™t want to talk about the right killing people (just the ā€œlibsā€ that do).

          From where Iā€™m at, you both appear to be the same kind of hypocrite.

          Egypt and Japanā€¦

          Both are already under Russiaā€™s heel. Japan only recently.

          Egypt gets 80% of their grain from Russia in exchange for guns. Russia has them by the balls and doesnā€™t need propaganda to influence their politics:

          https://www.eureporter.co/world/egypt/2024/02/15/a-new-dawn-for-russia-and-egypt-and-a-wake-up-call-for-the-west/

          And Japan is one of the 11 Democracies found to be under attack through targeted election interference in this report:

          https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-intelligence-report-alleging-russia-election-interference-shared-with-100-2023-10-20/

          Concerted Russian operations between 2020 and 2022 sought to ā€œundermine public confidence in at least 11 elections across nine democracies, including the United States,ā€ the report said, adding 17 others were targeted by ā€œless pronouncedā€ efforts.

          So the mass murder people already have control of the Egyptian government, and are working on Japan.

          And its working because:

          Right now people will follow whoever promises to do things and then follows through on that promise.

          This includes voting for people that donā€™t care about mass murder as long as they follow through on their other promises.

          So all together, talking about how much you hate the Right and what theyā€™re doing feels like an opinion you should have and be sharing if you truly cared about those who commit mass murder.

          Libs are not in power in the US and very likely wonā€™t have it in the same way ever again.

          Do they suck? Yes.

          But thereā€™s bigger mass murders now that arguably warrant the same view you have of libs.

          So why are you choosing to talk about the libs instead?

          From my perspective, it looks like you just want to waste your time being angry at a lesser evil. Which if done over the course of your whole life, will unquestionably waste it.

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            You seem to haveā€¦ Interestingā€¦ Opinions about stuff (I certainly donā€™t agree with your ideas about empathy). Unfortunately even I donā€™t have enough time to waste to respond to all this, so Iā€™ll only respond to this:

            From my perspective, it looks like you just want to waste your time being angry at a lesser evil. Which if done over the course of your whole life, will unquestionably waste it.

            So, setting aside how from my position talking about Western politics is already a waste of time, liberalism is not a robust ideology. It doesnā€™t have concrete offerings for the common person that will get them on your side in the fight against fascism (which does have concrete offerings, though it canā€™t follow up on them). Therefore, putting them in an equal, or even superior, position in your big tent alliance makes that alliance an ideological lowest common denominator whose messaging will fall flat on the ears of the people, who are hurting and in need of strong leadership. In a battle of ideas, quality will always trump quantity, because with quality comes quantity but quantity will never breed quality. And letā€™s not even get into how if you leave them be or consider them alies theyā€™ll link up with capital and sweep the rug from under you.

            If your idea of empathy (which I still donā€™t het) prevents you from criticizing liberals (despite how theyā€™re very much willing to criticize you), then youā€™re gonna have to be more ruthless to beat fascism.

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              Just to be clear -

              If your idea of empathy (which I still donā€™t het) prevents you from criticizing liberalā€¦

              It is not your criticism of liberals that lacks empathy, itā€™s your choice of timing in when to criticize them.

              They deserve criticism, unquestionably.

              But that criticism made more sense to discuss when it was the late 2000ā€™s and libs were turning a blind eye to mass murder. They clearly arenā€™t now. So why shit on them as if they are, or ever will be able to again?

              In short, modern Libs:

              A) Are doing the right thing for once (by kinda being mad about mass murder) B) Not doing as much mass murder as Trump / Russia. C) Might not be around much longer due to Democratic party infighting and Trump working up towards arresting his political rivals.

              Which means libs are now:

              A) Choosing to be on the right side for once B) Not murdering anyone, and actively fighting Trump / Russia from doing the same. C) Are being openly oppressed.

              And all that admittedly, in your very first response, ā€œmakes you mad.ā€

              You have now spent days judging them for bullshit they are no longer doing, and havenā€™t done much of in decades because of Trump.

              Which means, simply put:

              Your are choosing to express hate towards them, instead of:

              • Hate towards people actually doing mass murder
              • Hate towards those oppressing free speech and ideology (because whatā€™s being oppressed is lib flavored).

              If this was 2009, the above wouldnā€™t be true, and your cticism of libs would be valid and warranting of empathy.

              But the above now IS true, which means you are choosing to criticize the libs at the opportunity cost of criticizing those who are now actually doing mass murder.

              So frankly, your entire opinion comes off as:

              I only care about mass murder when the libs do it.

              As thatā€™s all the mass murder youā€™ve managed to talk about for days despite quite a lot of it being done by worse people now.

              Your hate towards libs is clearly more important to you than those now being mass murdered as you only care to talk about one of these things.

              If you want empathy, talk about the mudered, who the libs are now actually trying to help, instead of how much you hate them for existing.

              Because no offense, the brain washed MAGA in the US blindly hate the libs the same way you do. So if you want to come off as having an opinion worth listening too, maybe have sympathy for the devil now that theyā€™re clearly not as bad as the President that was just elected. Until then, youā€™re no different than a MAGA influencer blindly hating libs. The only difference is their reasons are made up, and yours are outdated at best.

              Hate is addicting. Iā€™ve watched decades of propaganda turn decent people into idiots who hate each other. So if you want to waste your time, I recommend doing it on something that doesnā€™t make you so angry for no reason. Itā€™s clearly affecting your ability to act with empathy, as you seem to lack any towards libs despite their clear change in behaviour that caused you to hate them in the first place.

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                In short, modern Libs:

                A) Are doing the right thing for once (by kinda being mad about mass murder) B) Not doing as much mass murder as Trump / Russia. C) Might not be around much longer due to Democratic party infighting and Trump working up towards arresting his political rivals.

                Okay I think thatā€™s where you got me wrong. While empathy is still not what Iā€™d call it, youā€™re kind of right in that it would make no sense to criticize liberals for their hypocrisy right now (though in an honest to goodness power struggle it is good ammunition if the left decides to go down that route). However, thatā€™s not what I was criticizing; what I was criticizing is how liberals are still not mad about mass murder. Liberals are mad about the incompetent manner in which the mass murder was done, the bad opsec, but they donā€™t give a shit about the mass murder itself. Thatā€™s whatā€™s ticking me off. Like these fuckers killed 53 people to protect their best buddiesā€™ genocide and theyā€™re getting worked up over bad opsecā€½ If youā€™ll notice, liberalsā€”both rank and file and leadersā€”are not calling for an end to the actual mass murder; theyā€™re calling for the incompetent leadership to be removed so that competent leadership can come and do the same mass murder but competently. And when you point out that it makes no sense to call for better leadership for the mass murder machine you get downvoted to oblivion. If they were calling for an end to the mass murder (which they wonā€™t because of ā€œfreedom of navigationā€ and ā€œUS interests in the regionā€) youā€™d be right and itā€™d make no sense to get mad at them; libs being hypocritical isnā€™t exactly news.

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                  If youā€™ll notice, liberalsā€”both rank and file and leadersā€”are not calling for an end to the actual mass murderā€¦

                  Hereā€™s liberals, both rank and file, calling for an end to actual mass murder in 2022:

                  https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/us-democrats-urge-biden-overhaul-drone-strike-lethal-force-policy

                  More than 40 House and Senate Democrats have urgedĀ USĀ President Joe Biden to review and overhaul Washingtonā€™s counterterrorism policy and its use of lethal force and drone strikes.

                  TheĀ letter, led by Senator Elizabeth Warren, comes a day after US Central Command (Centcom) released the first public footage of an 29 August drone strike in Afghanistan which killed 10 civilians.

                  When ā€œthere is little policy change or accountability for repeated mistakes this grave and this costlyā€, they wrote, it sends a message that civilian deaths are ā€œthe inevitable consequence of modern conflict, rather than avoidable and damaging failures of policyā€.

                  The letter was also signed by ten other senators including Chris Murphy, Patrick Leahy and Richard Durbin, as well as 40 House members including Ro Khanna, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, Barbara Lee, and Pramila Jayapal.

                  Unfortunately, seeing as libs lost the recent election, thereā€™s no way of telling the outcome this kinda of pressure would bring. But based entirely on the momentum Bernie and AoC are gaining, the flavor of lib you hate the most is fading fast from the favor of the Democratic party.

                  Even now, thereā€™s fighting to change their leadership as the ā€œNew Libā€ defense theyā€™re putting up is about as effective as a wet paper towel.

                  Hereā€™s a great article about the rise and fall of the ā€œNew Libsā€ that you hate (rightfully so, they suck), but it outlines they are indeed falling from grace at this very time:

                  https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2025/02/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-new-liberals-how-the-democrats-lost-their-majority/

                  Then, [Democrats] can learn from the [New Libs] most fundamental mistake: any new policy agenda must not only address structural challenges, but also be firmly rooted in a popular political base.

                  A popular base like their 50+ constituents calling to reform mass murder policies.

                  Unfortunately, Democrats currently have no power in any part of the US government. Trump is the only one in charge, and stopping him involves focusing on the part of his job he fucked up, particularly the Opsec.

                  That is something liberals DO have control over at this time. So it is what they are focusing on.

                  But if you look at what they were calling for when they were recently in power, itā€™s very much what you have been asking them to call for.

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                    Okay you only seem to be interested posting liberal apologia rather than engaging with my point, so I wonā€™t respond further. I will, however, note that Iā€™m interested in what theyā€™re doing now, not the one thing a minority of them did three years ago that, I should say, amounted to fucking nothing.