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  • MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz
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    6 hours ago

    I going to stop trying. I can see I’m not going to succeed in changing your mind. You’re holding on tight to some stuff that’s completely immaterial, and I won’t be able to show you what you actively refuse to see.

    Just think about what I’ve said. Maybe look some stuff up. Especially when it comes to conditions in russia, and how Putin is bending over backwards to keep the invasion going.

    Look into the weapons deals with North Korea, for example.

    • Bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org
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      5 hours ago

      I can see I’m not going to succeed in changing your mind.

      You are trying to tell me that it’s good (or at least justifiable/normal) that Zelensky wants to murder me, my friends my family and several million other people who happened to be born in Ukraine. Obviously you are not going to change my mind :/

      Maybe look some stuff up. Especially when it comes to conditions in russia

      What stuff are you suggesting me to loop up? While I personally never visited Russia, I have close friends from Russia, several others who visited it, so I know from “first-hand” sources what’s it like there… (More or less the same shithole as Ukraine, but without kidnapping and with ability to leave)

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        4 hours ago

        Good? No.

        Normal? Absolutely not.

        Justifiable? Arguably.

        The way it’s actually happening? I don’t even know. You didn’t initially comment on that or the posted article, you commented on the general ability of a leader being able to send citizens to fight.

        As horrifying as it is, and as someone who lives in a country where that question could become very relevant very suddenly, I think you’re wrong. The conclusion I came to, is that the ability for a nations government to “trade in” the few to save the many, is not optional, if continued long-term existence is desired.

        You’re free to disagree on where the line for where that price is too great to pay in comparison to surrender, and you surely know better than I do where it is for Ukraine.

        But it does exist. Countries the world over give their leaders the power to wield their human populations as a shield against threats. There is absolutely nothing unusual about that gruesome reality.

        As for what I’m suggesting you look into, that would be the stuff you don’t get to see from a first-hand perspective. Statistics, large scale policy, international relations, industry and economic trends.