Pup Biru

theoretically

and now you’re arguing for massive bloodshed and forcing people to live the way you want, in potentially awful living conditions for a lot of people (i certainly, as an LGBT person, would not want to live in any previous or current socialist state) for a long time for theoretical improvement

just a symptom of later stages of Capitalism

i don’t disagree of course, and i wasn’t saying capitalism is the only way; i think capitalism like this is absolute trash as well… i’m simply saying that those qualities are neither intrinsic to, nor exclusively found in socialist systems

You cannot maintain the small stages forever

perhaps, but honestly i don’t think we’ve actually even tried. we jumped straight from feudalism to some form of capitalism to some socialism. we’ve never had a system that tried to keep things small - and i’m not saying we should either necessarily

but these arguments are all reasonably theoretical

Socialism is a necessity

socialism is perhaps part of a solution but dealing in absolutes is rarely ever correct

i don’t disagree, but socialism won’t solve that just by virtue of it being different… global socialism, perhaps but on the country level it’s just not. socialism just aligns local incentives

sure, but the solution then isn’t searxng; it’s whatever it’s aggregating from

the important thing is not socialism: it’s a government that deals with negative externalities

socialism tends to do better at that simply because often it often does better at long-term planning (but that’s not a given either), but capitalism without corporate bullshit, stock markets, etc (ie actual ownership over a business rather than just ownership over a vague thing where you’re only concerned with line goes up not long term business health) has pretty much the same drivers: long term sustainability and this holding others to account for their negative externalities

all of the above listed counties have very solid healthcare and are not entirely socialist. what’s your point?

socialism is not a requirement for being a place that treats people with respect and dignity; nor is it a silver bullet

and you believe a revolution in the US will help the third world?

socialist countries are plenty capable of being exploitative too. a revolution doesn’t change the people - it changes the power structures

the nordic states seem to be doing pretty well at riding a good line, and whilst australia is far from socialist, what we have is working great too

accident? no of course not… but consistency… a big bang “revolution” is the easy way out… it’s so easy to say you’ll fight for what you believe in when you don’t have to see what it’ll entail or what will come out the other side of it but the reality is far more bloody and is absolutely not what you have in your head afterwards

given that it’s an aggregator, you’d want to ensure it aggregates from EU sources i assume, so it’s not a solution to the EU issue

perhaps, or perhaps it could be replaced by something worse. there are no guarantees

revolution is easy to say on the internet but at the end of the day a lot of people die

it’s a long road with a lot more steps but simply “destroying” the notion that democrats are the good guys simply gets you republicans and that’s gotta be the worst way to shift left ever

hopefully people will see through it and it’ll backfire and just reinforce people staying strong

the world is not going back. we waited 4 years last time, sighed with relief, and said “thank fuck that’s enough of that”

… and here we are

the trust is lost; there are no more chances

the “hit em in the fuckin head so they don’t suffer” requirement?