Unfortunately yes, but point being that maga gets a free pass on genocide.

Even now the backlash against maga is mostly over Elon Musk taking a chainsaw to federal jobs and funding for social programs.

You missed my point. It was always clear for +90% of leftists that trump was worst.

To me, this feels like a retcon out of hindsight.

The entire year up to election day all I saw was posts downplaying Project 2025, Trump’s authoritarianism, the threat to Democracy. Complaining that the media over-sensationalizes anything to do with trump. Accusing everyone worried about Trump that they’re just hysterical. Just crazy people thinking that every election ever, Democracy is at stake. And if you vote against Trump actually you’re just blue MAGA anyway with the blood of genocide on your hands.

Maybe it was clear to leftists that Trump was the worst, but leftists sure didn’t make it clear to anyone else that they gave a shit.

You are writing fanfiction here, I don’t think any serious leftist wants things to go sour for the US.

I’m not writing fanfiction, I’m taking online dialogue from self-described leftists at their word. Now every individual is different, maybe a bunch of these were misinformation trolls calling themselves leftists. Maybe they were exaggerating and they don’t want the entire US to fall, they just want to get rid of NATO got carried away being edgy online. I get whiplash from how fast the script can seemingly flip sometimes.

sadly the USA seems like is on it’s full speed on course to ruin: fascism in it’s government going progressively shameless

I was told over and over and over again that full blown fascism in the US was better than secret fascism. Maybe from trolls, but I heard it over and over.

I was explicit about not blaming leftists for Trump. I can’t say that leftists are the reason Trump won office. Trump likely could still have won without any leftists. BUT. There was/is a leftist/MAGA alliance, let me demonstrate.

First:

Genocide Joe

Killer Kamala

Donald Trump

Next:

Start a conversation with a leftist about Genocide Joe and Palestine, good chance they never bring up Trump.

Start a conversation with leftist about Trump and Palestine, it’s impossible to avoid the conversation becoming entirely about Genocide Joe and the Democrats.

Unconsciously, leftists have given Trump and MAGA a free pass on genocide. No nicknames, no blame.

“some leftist didnt voted for kamala and now many palestinians get annihilated, love to see the pain on their face”

No, more like, “is it now bad enough that MAGA loses its free pass on genocide now? Nope some leftist came to explain to everyone why it’s actually all Genocide Joe’s fault still”.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write-in_candidate

It’s not exclusive to the US but it’s mostly a US practice.

It’s about a coherent trail of ideas. If I’m talking about write-in’s, and you act like I’m telling you to vote for Kamala, when she’s on the ticket and there would be no sense in writing Kamala in when she’s already on the ticket, the conversation is not following a rational line of discussion.

It’s like you didn’t read my post at all, maybe you accidentally replied to the wrong post.

I didn’t tell anyone to vote Kamala or DNC, I said a write-in vote is a protest vote. For the love of God you can write in “anti-genocide” or “I stand with Palestine” as your vote, that is a protest.

Keeping this short because I hope you actually read this.

Global leftists want the fall of America

Global leftists advocate for the fall of America

America starts falling

People suffer because America is calling

It’s going to be difficult for global leftists to find a willingness for solidarity and cooperation with the suffering people, who feel like their suffering was the goal. But with a lot of creativity, might be possible.

Now for sure, people were already suffering under Capitalism previously, but leftists are basically pitching the same " it has to get worse so it can get better" story as Elon Musk.

Now if leftists had backed Kamala, and Trump won, suffering people would be flocking to the left, instead of blaming them.

So… Sucks.

WELL, it’s worth discussing that leading up to the 2024 US General Election there was a bit of a bizarre alliance between global leftists and MAGA when it comes to media and information warfare.

For completely opposite reasons each, of course. MAGA thought Trump was going to take the US to being the next level of Imperialist superpower. Global leftists thought Trump was going to destroy the US’s power and influence and end the era of the US being the world’s sole superpower.

Only time will tell who was correct. Right now it looks like the global leftists were right - the US’s influence is rapidly deteriorating, and it may never recover.

Trump is looking like a big global leftist win in taking down the US - at the cost of many Palestinian lives. And maybe this was the trolley dilemma, with millions of Palestinians on one track, and billions of people on the other. Can we accuse leftists of being the ones to flip the switch? No, but leftists absolutely argued in favor of flipping the switch to trump and the downfall of America, at the cost of many Palestinian lives.

Most just abstained

An abstain from voting is a vote that says “I’m fine with anyone or everyone”. An abstain is a vote that says “I am complacent to the outcome”.

If you want to protest, if nothing else, write in.

I can’t really blame people for drawing the line at genocide of all things

They didn’t draw the line at genocide. If you stand and watch and do nothing you are complicit in the genocide.

There’s plenty of dialogue suppression, what I’m saying it that I suspect it’s suppressing the dialogue you want suppressed.

“open dialogue”? I’m gonna have to assume you mean some instances will censor you for criticizing Russia, because the right-wing translation of “free speech” is “when my speech is free and yours isn’t”.

See also: “free speech absolutist” Elon Musk.

Funny wojak faces but to clear up an apparent misconception here, Ukrainian weren’t fighting for abstract concepts like “freedom” and Democracy", they were fighting to stop Russian soldiers from killing their families, raping their children, and burning their homes to the ground.

I hope this helps!