But she’s not though, the law that she’s charging people under is not the domestic terrorism law because it’s obvious on the face of it that it is not terrorism and any defense attorney would have a field day with that charge.

What she is doing, is having people charged under malicious destruction of property. And in this instance, it’s government property, because Tesla receives financial assistance from the federal government. I mean it’s not actually government property, but as far as the laws concerned the charge can be the same.

Keep in mind too, that arson or use of explosives are going to be their own separate charge. And that if a person’s intent is to say vandalize a Tesla dealership, probably the best way to do that would be some sort of liquid substance that would damage a whole lot of paint jobs very easily. And by best here, I mean you still may end up with a felony charge, but you likely won’t do time if it’s a first offense while still causing a lot of financial damage to Tesla.

When my younger brother vandalize a Hummer dealership with his friends, he did get a felony because of the amount of damage that they caused, but he did not do time in prison.

If he would have set those cars on fire, it would have been arson. And if it would have been government property, at least in the eyes of the law. The minimum sentence would be 5 years. Which is what Pam Bondi is pursuing.

So you see your trans brother as ‘genetically’ a woman? I am sure he loves that.

You know, your brother could have been born with XY chromosomes and a genetic mutation. Your family wouldn’t have discovered the Y chromosome until she went through puberty. And I use she here because that’s how she would have been socialized, and that would have been her sex assigned at birth too. If this was your sibling, would she be genetically male or genetically female?

And nothing in any of your arguments has demonstrated to me that you aren’t for segregation. Not just for myself but also for black people really. You’ve argued that bigots have a right to public spaces where they don’t have to be around folks that they don’t find repugnant. Simply through mob rule. Which is allowing the feelings of one group to infringe upon the rights of another. Because hurting your feelings isn’t considered harmful in our culture. While exclusion from public spaces and activities is.

Which shows to me that you don’t understand what a human right is or where they came from when our constitution was written. The founders believed in natural rights, they wrote the bill of rights to ensure that certain rights were never infringed upon. They are enumerated but not exhaustive.

For the state or mob to infringe upon the rights of the individual, there needs to be demonstrated a government interest in keeping the community safe. Little girls aren’t getting ran over by genetic males on the soccer field. So there is no public interest here, only political ambitions and the feels of bigots.

And just so we’re clear, your language is a repetition of those neoliberal and right-wing talking points above.

Trans healthcare and hormones are very nuanced, a child could be put on puberty blockers and in the Presidents opinion be genetically male. Even though it is very easy to demonstrate that that child is not a danger to the well-being of any of the other children on the field.

Yes, bigots have a right to their opinion, we don’t police thoughts obviously or speech, or at least we try not to. But that does not give them the right to tell children that they can’t play sports without demonstrating how doing so is depriving other children of their right to play sports in a safe environment.

So, now that I am calmer, I hope I have explained to you well enough why essentially everyone is disagreeing with you and downvoting you in this comment thread. Please look in the mirror and do some self-crit if you are indeed a leftist.

I’m just going to point out right here, genetic male is a right-wing dog whistle. Folks don’t waste your time on this person, they are not arguing in good faith.

And I should have known better. But I was feeling emotional about stuff going on in my personal life. Oh well.

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You have done nothing to disprove that. Read the paradox of tolerance. Look up some actual science on trans women’s body mass and testosterone levels. And quit arguing that it’s okay for intolerant folks to deny other people their rights.

This is no different than racial segregation. And you twisted the racial segregation argument around to try and make your point.

Yeah whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night… okay

Yet everyone on here is telling you that you’re wrong. And you know, when I look around and realize that everybody around me is disagreeing, I look in the mirror and realize oh maybe I’m the one being an asshole

Paradox of tolerance. If white people are uncomfortable sitting in a diner with black folks, they can go somewhere else.

And again, this isn’t the student’s body making this demand. It’s the US president.

So your whole argument is disingenuous to begin with. And my emotional response is for you. For your ignorance that you are spreading here.

Do some research and do some reading.

It needs to be up to the students, and not the institutions to make that a policy. The University itself has no right to make that policy without the consent of the students in the same way they shouldn’t and couldn’t be allowed to segregate students based on race

This was you, a university has no right to segregate students based on race. Full stop. It doesn’t matter what the student body wants.

The paradox of tolerance. Do some reading.

You need to look up the paradox of tolerance.

Allowing black people into diners because it makes white folks uncomfortable is not trampling on the rights of white folks.

And your whole argument seems to hinge on this idea that trans women aren’t women, I have less testosterone than my girlfriend by far.

Even if I was in shape she would still kick my ass if we were the same size.

And thankfully, in sports where size matters, they have weight divisions.

So it’s not a red herring and nobody is being disingenuous but you. You are transphobic and you need to actually look at the science before you start spouting off opinions about other people trampling on my rights because a fucking bully told them that if they didn’t, he was going to take their money.

Because that is what is happening here. No students are complaining about participating in sports with trans women. Donald Trump is just picked my community as a target for his vile hatred while he destroys our country.

And here you are defending

It is segregation, they are saying trans women can’t participate in sports unless they want to go get knocked out by actual men with actual male hormones.

Your whole take is so much transphobic bullshit.

Define genetic male and I swear to God I will find some holes in your argument because you have not examined this issue.

This is a human rights violation, trans women are women. Segregating people for political gain is fucking evil.

And your argument is that the university should do some evil so the bully doesn’t hit them harder with the stick?

You don’t stop bullies by giving them what they want. That just encourages them.

Anyway, your comments in this thread seriously did not land well.

You’re either somebody that thinks they’re an ally when they’re not, or your entire argument is disingenuous and you really don’t care about trans people at all.

My suspicion is that it’s the later

Wait so it’s not okay for universities to segregate students based on race, but it is okay for universities to segregate women based on their sex assigned at birth?

Like I think you have some anti-trans brainworms that you haven’t really looked at. My identity isn’t a political issue. It shouldn’t be up to the rest of the student body if I can participate fully at a university any more than it should be up to the rest of the student body if a black person can participate at the University fully.

Nor should it be up to a tyrant like fucking Trump. Which is what is actually happening here. Is political oppression and targeting of folks like me by somebody that is just like Hitler. And you are telling the university that they should bend the knee.

So yes, first they came for the socialists. But that’s not actually true, in this case, first they came for the immigrants and trans folks.

I wish someone would slam the media for these stupid headlines.

Unless they literally body slammed him, stop fucking saying slammed it’s annoying and I’m not reading your stupid fucking article

And that’s just tariffs, with the mass deportations happening and everything else that’s going on, I think that it’s going to get much worse by summer.

Yeah that was my thought too.