Tesla dealerships are getting protested and, in some cases, vandalized. Sales are down on 9 of the top 10 countries Tesla sells in. Yet Tesla stock is up. Twitter is a cesspool of nazi-themed bots, and somehow just pulled in $1bn and raised its valuation back up to $44bn.

How is any of this possible? It seems really artificial to me, but I don’t really understand business.

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    We don’t want Chinese dumping their cars and leading to the loss of even more manufacturing jobs in North America and Europe.

    Who is this we, here? I want this. The people employed in these manufacturing jobs are not people I am concerned about.

    When China gets bored with subsidizing our economy, we can spin up new state of the art facilities.

    We are being sold a lump go fear, uncertainty and doubt around this stuff by the people who profit off these industries.

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      You’re not concerned about the people around you that won’t be able to afford anything? You’re not concerned about the cost for society? You’re not concerned about the fact that you’re exporting jobs to another country that is now a monopoly that can just increase prices however it feels like because it’s clients don’t have any alternatives? You’re not concerned about a country you depend on turning around and becoming your enemy?

      If you’re not concerned about any of that you don’t understand much of the world around you buddy.

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        Yes, that’s exactly why I’m for allowing countries that can do it cheaper to import their goods. It’s cheaper for everyone.

        No one is owed a job, using the government to project jobs and profits cost us all. It is corporation socialism sold with the slogan, “think of the workers” – the fact that the right pushes for this agenda is a huge fucking red flag. They pick and choose the workers they pretend to care about and every single time it’s because there is a huge opportunity to extract profit from labor.

        I think the peoblem here is I understand the world more than you. I didn’t use such a silly appeal to make my position because I use logical and you used feelings and insults.

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          So you just chose to ignore most of what I said and focused on “it costs me less right now, fuck you, I’ve got mine”

          It was never about making things cheaper for people like you and me, it was always about making more profit by producing things with cheap labor and selling them for the same price.

          Globalization was the right wing agenda of the 80s and 90s! You must just be too young to remember it.

          Today we’re paying for it, one country elects an idiot and it fucks the supply chain for the whole world. Pandemic? Same thing. We don’t produce what we need locally so we’re dependent on the political will of other countries.

          Hell, why do you think the US spread its military influence all over the world and spends so much on defence? To protect its monetary interests that depend on a global economy. If it had kept local jobs instead it would save a fortune!

          Don’t talk as if you hate the right when you are clearly defending the neoliberal agenda.

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            We suffer today because we allowed the right to strip away workers rights. Entire generations have been convinced they are better off without collective bargaining.

            Everything else is pure fucking noise.

            Globalization is the excuse they use for why unions are bad but there are tons of jobs that cannot be unions with terrible wages so clearly globalization is not the problem but it is a very convient excuse because we get to blame Those People.

            You’re still relying on making this personal. You aren’t at pure of thought as think yourself as you mouth these well established platitudes.

            The idea I am discussing here is a pure libertarian stance on commerce and I understand why you are unable to label it correctly as the American Libertarian are just anti-tax morons who are too embarrassed to call themselves republicans.

            The government should not be protecting industries via tariffs. Trump supporters love tariffs and agree with your stances therefore you are a Trump lover.

            See how easy that was to paint you as something you likely are not? It’s far easier to label people so you can dismiss them than to attempt understanding a perspective that conflicts with your own.

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              Call it libertarian all you want, it’s still the neoliberal stance, Trump just came and “switched things around” because he thinks of himself as anti establishment but the only thing he’s managed to do so far is reduce the number of jobs created and reduce the US workforce.

              https://www.britannica.com/money/neoliberal-globalization

              And since you call yourself a libertarian, you’re off to the block list because I don’t need people like you in my life.

              Buhbye!