Can’t say I’m excited about any hp product either, but the fact these big companies are openly preferring Linux to windows is a sign of the huge progress Linux has made and that’s super exciting imo
At the very least, the big laptop manufacturers making Linux handhelds means just from a cost cutting and resource perspective, there’s a good chance laptop and desktop hardware support improves even further just because they reuse parts across devices.
Hell, NVIDIA is probably watching this and wishing they’d supported Linux better in the past because now they have some catching up to do.
there’s a good chance laptop and desktop hardware support improves even further just because they reuse parts across devices.
100% agree.
This is how Linux has caught-up-ish with respect to hardware in the first place. The BSOD from all the crappy drivers in Windows forced MSFT to create WHQL. Then MSFT charged for certification. Then OEMs started licensing IP that already had the certification instead of writing their own drivers for less well know IP. Someone writes a Linux driver for a certain IP and now a ton of systems are further supported.
These companies are definitely going to reuse IP across all their devices. Companies selling IP will want to sell their IP in as many markets as possible. They are going to write the Linux driver and say, “put this in your handheld.”
They are going to write the Linux driver and say, “put this in your handheld.”
That would be terrible. They shouldn’t be giving their customers a driver, they should be sending their driver to mainline and telling their customers “Use any version of Linux after 6.<whenever their driver was committed>”.
I should clarify. I’m speaking from the perspective of the IP owner who writes the driver and manufacturer who puts together all the components. And I’m sure the drivers would get mainlined. That’s what Intel does now. They inbox their Windows driver with MSFT and mainline their Linux driver with the Kernel.
I’m speaking from the perspective of the IP owner who writes the driver and manufacturer who puts together all the components.
As am I.
And I’m sure the drivers would get mainlined.
That’s not the norm.
Intel
Intel is huge and employs shit loads of Linux developers. Most vendors, who will be much smaller, don’t. For example, Realtek, who stick a crappily written driver in a tarball on their download page and call it a day. Or any of the hundreds of silicon vendors (such as NXP, Nvidia, Rockchip, Allwinner, Realtek again, Qualcomm, etc., etc.) with "BSP"s who give their customers a 500GB package containing, among lots of proprietary userland shit, some butchered horror show based on Linux 3.3 with no git history.
I can’t imagine why you would expect drivers to be mainlined by a vendor.
I can’t imagine why you would expect drivers to be mainlined by a vendor.
Because I was a Windows kernel developer for Intel. It was standard practice for us to give our reference drivers to the OEMs to deploy with their devices, while we worked with Microsoft to inbox the reference drivers. This was part of the value of the Intel IP.
That’s not the norm.
It is the Norm for PCs. And we are talking about, “Laptop manufacturers making handhelds, leading to cost cutting from a resource perspective.”
We aren’t talking about ARM vendors making 1 off devices.
Like others said, as shitty as HP is (Believe me I hate them, I literally made a new company IT purchasing policy banning HP branded products the minute I had the power to do so) if Linux catches on with the big players it will only push better drivers and hardware support across their whole portfolio
No one gives a shit about the fact that HP is making another useless piece of hardware, but it’s more about the fact that a major OEM is considering a linux alternative rather than slapping windows on a mobile device and shipping it like everyone else is.
The more OEMs that work with Valve on utiliing SteamOS means more pull that Valve has over Microsoft to make compatibility with games better, and even game developers themselves whom some ignore Steam Deck users entirely by ensuring their game will not work on it.
This is a win for the linux community as a whole to have the backing of an OEM, even if it’s a shitty company like HP it’s still a good sign and will hopefully mean other OEMs follow suit.
Who cares…
Obviously a lot of people XDD
And that’s kids how you instigate a riot. 🤣
On the other hand, it seems I missed the target audience.
Joke aside, you made some good points and I agree with them. Thanks for the perspective. 😉
Can’t say I’m excited about any hp product either, but the fact these big companies are openly preferring Linux to windows is a sign of the huge progress Linux has made and that’s super exciting imo
At the very least, the big laptop manufacturers making Linux handhelds means just from a cost cutting and resource perspective, there’s a good chance laptop and desktop hardware support improves even further just because they reuse parts across devices.
Hell, NVIDIA is probably watching this and wishing they’d supported Linux better in the past because now they have some catching up to do.
100% agree.
This is how Linux has caught-up-ish with respect to hardware in the first place. The BSOD from all the crappy drivers in Windows forced MSFT to create WHQL. Then MSFT charged for certification. Then OEMs started licensing IP that already had the certification instead of writing their own drivers for less well know IP. Someone writes a Linux driver for a certain IP and now a ton of systems are further supported.
These companies are definitely going to reuse IP across all their devices. Companies selling IP will want to sell their IP in as many markets as possible. They are going to write the Linux driver and say, “put this in your handheld.”
That would be terrible. They shouldn’t be giving their customers a driver, they should be sending their driver to mainline and telling their customers “Use any version of Linux after 6.<whenever their driver was committed>”.
I should clarify. I’m speaking from the perspective of the IP owner who writes the driver and manufacturer who puts together all the components. And I’m sure the drivers would get mainlined. That’s what Intel does now. They inbox their Windows driver with MSFT and mainline their Linux driver with the Kernel.
As am I.
That’s not the norm.
Intel is huge and employs shit loads of Linux developers. Most vendors, who will be much smaller, don’t. For example, Realtek, who stick a crappily written driver in a tarball on their download page and call it a day. Or any of the hundreds of silicon vendors (such as NXP, Nvidia, Rockchip, Allwinner, Realtek again, Qualcomm, etc., etc.) with "BSP"s who give their customers a 500GB package containing, among lots of proprietary userland shit, some butchered horror show based on Linux 3.3 with no git history.
I can’t imagine why you would expect drivers to be mainlined by a vendor.
Because I was a Windows kernel developer for Intel. It was standard practice for us to give our reference drivers to the OEMs to deploy with their devices, while we worked with Microsoft to inbox the reference drivers. This was part of the value of the Intel IP.
It is the Norm for PCs. And we are talking about, “Laptop manufacturers making handhelds, leading to cost cutting from a resource perspective.” We aren’t talking about ARM vendors making 1 off devices.
LOL your experience in Windows driver land is in no way transferrable to Linux driver land.
You mean for PCs running Windows. Which is not what we’re talking about.
Like others said, as shitty as HP is (Believe me I hate them, I literally made a new company IT purchasing policy banning HP branded products the minute I had the power to do so) if Linux catches on with the big players it will only push better drivers and hardware support across their whole portfolio
A lot of people? You don’t have to, but it’s kinda weird to go and announce it to everyone.
What a bunch of downvoting geniuses - drown yourself in HP quality. 🤭
No one gives a shit about the fact that HP is making another useless piece of hardware, but it’s more about the fact that a major OEM is considering a linux alternative rather than slapping windows on a mobile device and shipping it like everyone else is.
The more OEMs that work with Valve on utiliing SteamOS means more pull that Valve has over Microsoft to make compatibility with games better, and even game developers themselves whom some ignore Steam Deck users entirely by ensuring their game will not work on it.
This is a win for the linux community as a whole to have the backing of an OEM, even if it’s a shitty company like HP it’s still a good sign and will hopefully mean other OEMs follow suit.