I apologize if this is old news, but I just noticed it. It looks like Kagi has added Fediverse Forums as a default Web search option.

  • Cyborganism@lemmy.caEnglish
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    20 days ago

    Cool. Wish more search engines would do that.

    But, as far as Kagi goes, it’s a paid service and it’s an American company. So I won’t be using them.

      • sinceasdf@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        20 days ago

        I mean the idea is to appear organic, it’s not very effective advertising otherwise. It’s free real estate there is no reason they would not be doing it.

    • douglasg14b@lemmy.worldEnglish
      01·
      20 days ago

      Every single time with red comes up there’s always this FUD. You, specifically, don’t miss any opportunity to make mention of this. Across Lemmy, which is rather suspicious. Helping the Russian war effort? That’s a pretty big leap here.

      Why?

      Imagine a search engine aggregator aggregating search engine results from multiple sources for aggregation. The more indexes they support the better the results are going to be for everyone, I don’t see this as a problem for data aggregation.

      Why should data aggregation give any sort of shits about geopolitics?

      Regardless, the topic of this post, fediverse search, is part of their own search engine anyways afaik

      • MoonlightFox@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        20 days ago

        I have been sick a lot lately, so have had a lot of time on my hands. I don’t have a search for Kagi or something. I wanted to use Kagi though, so I was disappointed when I realized that they want to continue this practice.

        What are you implying with it being suspicious? In what way?

        If Kagi pays a Russian company for a service, that company pays taxes to the Russian government.

        Russia spends 32% of its budget on the Russian military. So for every dollar they get in taxes, one third is spent on the Russian military.

        With a corporate tax rate of 20% that means 6.4% of Yandex profits go to the military. Since Kagi is mainly a paid service, I don’t want my money to go to the Russian military, and I guess a lot of other people don’t want this either.

        https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-hikes-national-defence-spending-by-23-2025-2024-09-30/

        The Russian people are not to blame, and I am sure a lot of great people work at Yandex and at different companies in Russia. That said, Russia chose to attack a peaceful democratic country, they are currently sanctioned by a lot of western countries in hopes that it will pressure their economy enough to force them to stop the war.

        There isn’t much we can do to stop the conflict besides hurting them economically and supporting Ukraine. If we continue to use Russian products and services then that does not work. Unfortunately this affects everyone in Russia.

    • ehballah@lemmy.caEnglish
      01·
      20 days ago

      Feel like you’re jumping the gun a bit with this opinion. Kagi is one of the best options if you prioritize privacy. Have a closer look at their policies.

        • epchris@programming.devEnglish
          0·
          20 days ago

          Hoping to be constructive: how do you think search engines should operate? Or maybe how would you like one you consider “good” to operate?

          Also wondering how you see something like Privacy Pass that Kagi announced recently: https://blog.kagi.com/kagi-privacy-pass

          This is particularly useful in the context of a privacy-respecting paid search engine, where the Server wants to ensure that the Client can access the services, and the Client seeks strong guarantees that, for example, the searches are not associated with them.

        • shortrounddev@lemmy.worldEnglish
          0·
          20 days ago

          So you won’t pay for a subscription to use a search engine. Do you prefer the model that other search engines use where they take the content of your searches and use it to advertise to you?

            • shortrounddev@lemmy.worldEnglish
              0·
              20 days ago

              Read my comment again, because I neither accused you of anything nor reduced your argument. I’m not the original poster you replied to

                • shortrounddev@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                  18 days ago

                  When did I say that? Point out one single line that even remotely implies this. Flagrant strawman. What else would you call it?

                  Perhaps, I dunno, a misunderstanding?? Why do you assume everyone is out to get you? Why do you interpret everything as hostility?

                  How do you intend to pay for a search engine without signing in to it and having it track your search history?

        • capital@lemmy.worldEnglish
          0·
          18 days ago

          they’re for profit

          From my subscription cost, yes. This aligns my privacy goals with their need for income which is not the case for “free” advertising-supported products.

        • SabinStargem@lemmings.worldEnglish
          0·
          19 days ago

          This is what their Privacy Pass extension is for. Once it verifies you as an user, it doles out a bunch of generic “arcade tokens”, which don’t have any identifying information. You lose Kagi’s personalization features while using them, but your searches aren’t tied to any account beyond just “Kagi”, so you and everybody else using the privacy extension are the same person.

          At least, as I understand it.

        • BetterNotBigger@lemmy.worldEnglish
          01·
          19 days ago

          And if it changes, I will leave and stop paying. They are a user centric model. They thrive because of paying users.