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Cake day: July 6th, 2023

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  • Also, I’m pretty sure it got called Buy From EU because they wanted to create some sort of tribal attachment and appeal to a broader cultural connection, therefore highlighting the cultural divide between Americans and “Europeans.” Culture, culture, culture… Huh, I wonder what ideology has such a focus on culture… Bingo!

    Yes I’m sure it’s a “marketing” thing, to be catchy. I don’t think its about divide, though. I still don’t dislike americans or think that europeans are superior somehow, I just think this year has shown as that USA as a country can’t be relied on and it would be dangerous to continue to do so. Hence why avoid their products. I don’t like that youtube has no alternative and literally everyone and their grandma around me are using facebook messenger, for example. If everyone here stopped using these (not going to happen btw), it wouldn’t be because of nationalism, I tell you that.

    And please, the goal is not to “avoid USA products.” That’s not what this is about, and if you make it about that then it’s not a question of if nationalism will creep in; it’s a certainty. Make it about supporting EU-businesses, about strengthening the regional economy, and about showing that great products and services can be produced outside of monopolies!

    I’m a bit confused why you think this isn’t about avoiding USA products and why you say it with such confidence. The president of USA said/did bad things, the movement started/skyrocketed to avoid USA products, its not rocket science.

    Make it about supporting EU-businesses, about strengthening the regional economy, and about showing that great products and services can be produced outside of monopolies!

    Yes, I think that’s it.


  • The E Jean Carroll trial that proved Trump raped her* ended in 2023. And he was convicted in early 2024 for 37 counts of felony fraud.

    I understand that but it’s kind of what i’m saying… if I wasn’t on reddit or lemmy, I probably wouldn’t even know about it, since I don’t really particularly care about Trump. I assume most people don’t. Yes, the CEO of Proton should know better because that’s his job, but in general I think people just really don’t care and don’t know. I think a lot of people just consider Trump a loud idiot, without giving much consideration into how dangerous him and his party is or what kind of felonies he has been convicted for.


  • I agree… I just don’t think its enough to compromise Proton as a company as a whole. I still hope they are legit about the privacy and customer protection. But yeah, it doesn’t look good when the CEO is behaving like this.

    EDIT: I also try to acknowledge that I spend too much time online (reddit previously, now lemmy) and from that perspective its so obvious what a shithead Trump is, but looks like a lot of “normies” are still not caught up with that reality yet. What I’m trying to say is that I try to remain more levelheaded about how people view Trump or Republicans. A lot of people were still thinking Musk is a genius (and I don’t mean genius in scamming) even less than a year ago… hopefully they catch up eventually.


  • I think conservatism is hypocrisy, and nationalism is inherently contradicting and artificial.

    I mean sure, but I’m saying these tend to not be the kind of people who want to avoid USA products. Like, afd members are probably not boycotting Teslas or twitter etc right now, if you know what I mean.

    No I don’t mean american liberals, i mean its more liberals in general (canada, EU…) supporting this kind of movement, american liberal leaning people seem to be supportive of it too as far as I can tell.

    I can’t speak for others, but at least I am trying to avoid USA products, not because suddenly I feel like local products are superior (in many cases they are not, often there is no alternative at all), I just don’t want to support this corporate capture bullshit in USA. That’s it. There’s nothing conservative about it. I really don’t know why they called it buyfromEU or buyeuropean or whatever, but what i’m noticing is that if you want to avoid USA products, almost every alternative is from EU (as long as you want to avoid China too). And it’s not really about EU anyway, people promote Canada or UK stuff all the time.








  • I don’t blame you for drawing these conclusions, for me what I’ve read this far is not convincing enough to stop using Proton. It makes me weary, yes, but it’s not so black and white for me after I read more about it. I’d still take proton over Gmail any day and the private drive thing is nice too, as long as he won’t go full pro-Trump, I’m fine with Proton. I mean, he is not even wrong that democrats are captured by big tech, he just seems naive to think that Republicans are not actually worse. Also his donating pattern is similar to George Soros, so there is that.




  • I think its a better argument once you consider Proton has donated a lot to liberals and to support Ukraine and that the tweet was specifically about antitrust enforcement against Big Tech. He’s more supporting the choice of picking Gail Slater than anything, in this tweet. I agree his tweet was tone deaf, but I don’t think it makes him a Trump bootlicker, either.