During Tuesday’s hearing, Gabbard told Warner that the Signal thread didn’t share any classified information but refused to share its contents, or even admit that she was on the chain.
“If it’s not classified, share the texts now,” Warner told Gabbard. “Share it with the committee. You can’t have it both ways. These are important jobs. This is our national security.”
Bitch, we can smell the bullshit 500 miles away.
Does anyone else find it fucking disgusting that liberals are now mad that Trump is incompetently committing mass murder in the Middle East?
No, it is never disgusting to be against genocide, even if you’re doing it for the wrong reasons.
TBF I think they’re saying liberals are only mad because Trump’s genocide is incompetent. Like, liberals aren’t mad about the actual content of the messages, they’re mad that Trump broke the law.
Funny they’re saying that because they weren’t being mad at the genocide themselves, either, or the people commiting it, they’re busy being mad at liberals instead.
Bit of yelling at themselves in the mirror there.
Does anyone find it disgusting that conservatives now AREN’T mad that Obama was incompetently committing mass murder in the Middle East? (Because Trump is now doing the same?)
Personally, and morally, our anger should be towards the people NOT upset at Mass Murder, which as you have explained, isn’t liberals.
To be clear, yes, liberals turned a blind eye to this during Obama. But to your point, they aren’t now. Trump, instead, is murdering without care, and his base is celebrating it.
A blind eye isn’t the same as active support, and MAGA is actively supporting murder. While at worst, liberals still have blinders on.
Personally, I’m not going to spend any time chastising a lesser evil. But many did during our previous elections, which is how Trump got elected both times.
Harris + Isreal being a great recent example. Because no matter how bad Harris was, it’s not Trump turning Gaza into a night club.
What disgusting hate should we throw her way about Gaza now that it’s targeted for demolision by Trump?
At best, it’s wasteful to be so angry at liberals now. At worst, it’s stupid, and will keep the people you should be angry at in power to do worse things more frequently as it has for both of Trumps elections.
I mean hopefully?
That’s not what I’m talking about here. Of course the hypocrisy there is also ridiculous, but that’s not what I’m trying to say. My point is: Liberals seem to have more of a problem with the bad opsec than with the actual mass murder. As if competently murdering brown people in the hundreds is somehow better than incompetently murdering them. This is the reaction of people who are only marginally opposed to mass murder.
Understood.
My point: the world is slowly becoming overrun by people that are not opposed to mass murder at all.
So why should we spend any effort towards measuring what level we’re each opposed to mass murder, instead of actually opposing it while it’s happening?
It’s wasteful at best, and creates fractures in a needed united front against mass murdering corporate narcissists at worst.
Albeit a valid criticism of libs, it’s not productive towards solving any growing problem in any way. It is punching down on a group that Trump already has his boot on. Yet you’re enjoying the boot, and feel it’s earned, instead of aligning with the people it’s on who you clearly agree more with.
At the rate the US is going, there won’t be many libs left to laugh at once that boot is finished with them.
So I’ll save my criticism of their behavior after I know for sure they’ll still be around to criticize. Until then, anyone under that boot is my ally despite any political differences.
Mostly because I’m mad. I mean this is the Fediverse not a council meeting that will decide the fate of the Free World™, there’s nothing wrong with doing wasteful things. Also since I’m not American I’m not a member of the coalition you’re trying to build anyway.
That united front will never happen. Ideologically committed liberals will always side with fascists against leftists or try to win on their own; it’s just how they’re made. The
GestapoICE will be knocking on your door and they’ll still argue that a UBI is going too far and they can’t support your program. Don’t believe me? Look at what the Dem leadership is doing. Liberals simply don’t consider people to their left allies, but rather threats to their capitalist overlords. Not that that has anything to do with this conversation, but yeah.Huh? I never said anything about any boots being earned.
Agreed.
But I prefer to live a productive life instead of a wasteful one.
Especially when wasting your life involves picking on a currently oppressed group instead of their oppressors. If your anger stems from liberals lack of empathy, you are certainly lacking it towards them now that they’re oppressed.
So if you want to waste your life being an angry hypocrite in this way, I will not stop you, but I will point it out.
And let me know where in the world you’re living if you feel you are currently safe from the Russia fueled right-wing populist hate machine. I’d gladly move there to escape the grip they are tightening on the world.
Especially considering how effectively they dismantled the US, have now weaponized their military (the largest in the world by several factors), and have publicly stated their interest to take over Canada, Greenland, and Panama.
If there’s a safe place on this planet that escapes their grasp, let me know, especially since you already feel:
Seeing as a united front is the only way this ends well for humanity instead of Oligarchs, I guess we’ll have to wait 4 years to find out if you’re just being wasteful, or dangerously naive.
Wow that’s dramatic.
How is criticism a “lack of empathy”?
Egypt and Japan, but I won’t recommend the former. Japan is run by a bunch of conservative fuckwats don’t get me wrong, but they’re Reagan-era fiscal responsibility conservative fuckwats, not ethnostate conservative fuckwats (probably because Japan is already an ethnostate, but likely also because Japan refuses to evolve beyond the 80s).
It’s… not. Right now people will follow whoever promises to do things and then follows through on that promise. If liberals aren’t willing to be that (and they’re not), people will simply abandon liberals, but there must first be someone willing to publicly attack liberals and steal their base. This has happened before (see: 1917 Russia).
You literally admitteded to wanting to be wasteful. So it’s not dramatic to point out that over time, if all you do is wasteful things with your life, then it’s been a wasteful one. That’s how life works.
It’s not your criticism that lacks empathy, it’s your choice in who to criticise.
You’re taking the time to make your opinion public, and that time could be spent doing or saying anything else.
What you choose to say and do, is at the cost of what you could also be doing or saying with your time.
For example:
Libs choose not to say anything about drone strikes when it’s inconvenient.
Their choice to turn a blind eye, is why you feel they lack empathy.
The Right is attacking Democracy worldwide and has succeeded in taking over the US where they have recently enacted policies killing woman (abortion bans), incited LQBTQIA violence and murder, and readily exploit the elderly (antivax BS, removal of social security).
Recent estimates put preventable abortion deaths at 10,000 women a month in Texas alone, not to mention the GOP’s support of actual genocide in Isreal.
All of this, you have choosen to say nothing about. So just like the libs, it appears you’re turning a blind eye to it.
Because If you actually cared about those commiting mass murder, it stands to reason you would choose to express an opinion against the group doing it the most worldwide, instead of the group who has no power to do it any longer.
In choosing to be critical of libs for actions that others are doing worse on a far larger scale is what makes your opinion lack empathy. Because it quite literally could have more empathy if it was directed towards the larger group now doing all the mass murdering.
Libs don’t want to talk about drone strikes killing people (just the “terrorists” that do), and you don’t want to talk about the right killing people (just the “libs” that do).
From where I’m at, you both appear to be the same kind of hypocrite.
Both are already under Russia’s heel. Japan only recently.
Egypt gets 80% of their grain from Russia in exchange for guns. Russia has them by the balls and doesn’t need propaganda to influence their politics:
https://www.eureporter.co/world/egypt/2024/02/15/a-new-dawn-for-russia-and-egypt-and-a-wake-up-call-for-the-west/
And Japan is one of the 11 Democracies found to be under attack through targeted election interference in this report:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-intelligence-report-alleging-russia-election-interference-shared-with-100-2023-10-20/
So the mass murder people already have control of the Egyptian government, and are working on Japan.
And its working because:
This includes voting for people that don’t care about mass murder as long as they follow through on their other promises.
So all together, talking about how much you hate the Right and what they’re doing feels like an opinion you should have and be sharing if you truly cared about those who commit mass murder.
Libs are not in power in the US and very likely won’t have it in the same way ever again.
Do they suck? Yes.
But there’s bigger mass murders now that arguably warrant the same view you have of libs.
So why are you choosing to talk about the libs instead?
From my perspective, it looks like you just want to waste your time being angry at a lesser evil. Which if done over the course of your whole life, will unquestionably waste it.
You seem to have… Interesting… Opinions about stuff (I certainly don’t agree with your ideas about empathy). Unfortunately even I don’t have enough time to waste to respond to all this, so I’ll only respond to this:
So, setting aside how from my position talking about Western politics is already a waste of time, liberalism is not a robust ideology. It doesn’t have concrete offerings for the common person that will get them on your side in the fight against fascism (which does have concrete offerings, though it can’t follow up on them). Therefore, putting them in an equal, or even superior, position in your big tent alliance makes that alliance an ideological lowest common denominator whose messaging will fall flat on the ears of the people, who are hurting and in need of strong leadership. In a battle of ideas, quality will always trump quantity, because with quality comes quantity but quantity will never breed quality. And let’s not even get into how if you leave them be or consider them alies they’ll link up with capital and sweep the rug from under you.
If your idea of empathy (which I still don’t het) prevents you from criticizing liberals (despite how they’re very much willing to criticize you), then you’re gonna have to be more ruthless to beat fascism.
This isn’t a team sport, these are people’s lives. What the hell is wrong with you?
Yes, these are people’s lives, and now everyone is mad that Trump is being incompetent about murdering those people. The only sane reaction to a dictator failing to massacre a population is happiness that he’s not competent about it. The reactions I’m seeing only imply that liberals are okay with the actual bombing and only mad that Trump is not following opsec. By the way I’m not MAGA; leftists hate liberals too.
No one is upset about the incompetence threatening our ability to murder Yemenis, they’re attacking them for being incompetent broadly. It could have been plans for arming Ukraine or where our spy satellites are looking and the reaction would be the same: “look at these incompetent MAGAs fucking up governing” with an extra glee at being able to tag it as “national security” that conservatives lean into so heavily.
And they weren’t incompetent at murder. The murders went through just fine, because very little of the actual operation was handled by this crowd of idiots and some combination of a US citizen being rightly scared of his government and assuming our murders are justified and should not be hindered.
None of this is to say liberals aren’t morally bankrupt about our well oiled murder machine, just that they’re not angry about the risk to the murder operation. They don’t care one way or another whether some Arabs got murdered. Haven’t before and don’t now.
Yeah I know; that’s what I was trying to criticize here. They care so little that to them whether Trump goes about it competently or not is more important than the fact that the US military just killed 53 Yemenis. Notice that I said they’re okay with it, not that they like it. I guess what’s pissing me off is that the people here on the Fediverse were supposed to be (and certainly think of themselves as) better than that.
Uniting around a shared hate of liberals is how the weird leftist/MAGA alliance happened.
It’s why leftists give MAGA a free pass on things like genocide.
That’s why you prioritize posting about randoms on social media you perceive to be liberals, and not the people dropping the actual bombs.
Most blueMAGA thing I’ve seen today, but just in case leftists don’t in fact give MAGA a pass on genocide. Gaza protests are going as strong as ever, and if anything most leftists (that I’ve seen around here) are unwilling to even entertain the idea of breaking with liberals.
You’re the most MAGA I’ve seen today, not that I’ve been online that much.
From real activists, not a weird lemmy rando whose highest priority is beefing with liberals (actual or perceived), to prove what a “leftist” they are.
I read that as the typical finger pointing, it’s only okay when our side commits the atrocity, thanks for clarifying.
cope harder, MAGA CHUD.
The hell?
you said:
this is the absolute worst, least intelligent take someone could make about this situation.
It’s not as if “the left” wouldn’t be upset if they were competently bombing the Middle East. Musk/Trump will have their wars and we will be upset with those.
what i find disgusting, is when MAGA can’t seem to remember the endless campaign against Clinton over an email server, while this gets a shrug from the Presidents and a collective “this is not real!!” from the online MAGA legions.
That’s definitely not the message I’m getting. Trump bombing Yemen gets an “oh well”, while leaking information that might gasp prevent him from bombing them as efficiently gets yelling and screeches. By the way liberals are center, not left. I am coming from the left to express my disgust at this shit.
Screeching? Ummm…you mad bro???
Yes, thanks for noticing.
You can’t hear the message if you’re not listening.
no, you aren’t. you voted jill stein and therefore, are MAGA. congrats 👍
The fuck? I’m not even from this damn country cut this shit out. You’ll call everyone you don’t like MAGA until you’re forced to line up and worship portraits of your Great Leader at gunpoint.
oh even worse, cos playing as a foreigner to wag your finger at American leftists.
pound sand, your opinions hold no weight in this discussion.
Umm. What? No. Seriously. Wtf mate?!?
I think mass murder is despicable. Considering the US government had engaged in large scale extra judicial killings for decades (whether red or blue, no fucking difference), my country disgusts me. But, are you legit saying doing so incompentently is the problem? Not the murder. The incompetence.
Touch grass, god damn weirdo.
Uh… No? I’m mad that Americans seem to be more mad that the mass murder is being done incompetently than about the mass murder itself. It’s like competent mass murder is acceptable but bad ospec is not.
Well now I’m mad that you seem to be more mad about how people on social media react to bad opsec than the mass murder itself. It’s like mass murder is acceptable but reacting the wrong way to bad opsec is not.
You’re being disingenuous and you know it. In the context of mass murder, bad opsec is a good thing and not something to be mad at to begin with.
In this context, bad opsec is hilarious.
In a dark comedy way.
I’m being facetious, a little satire, at your expense, because the call is coming from inside the house.
I think most people find this worth a laugh to cope with the horror of the reality, but you only seem to take this as a reason to be bad at liberals.
I suspect anything that fascists do is for you a reason to be mad at liberals.
To an extent yes, because who do you think let the fascists get in charge?
Everybody?
Obviously, first responsibility for fascists taking control goes to the fascists.
Next would be anyone who allies themselves with fascist or helps attack the opposition to fascists.
Next would be anybody complacent, who watched and did nothing.
Last would be the people who opposed the fascists.
Exactly. Now realize that the most credible threat to fascism is/was the left and see where that puts pro-establishment liberals.
I cannot fathom how you arrive at such a conclusion. Like, I figure you know not to trust the “news” anymore; but, dude, don’t trust the media?
I’m not sure why you’re assuming I’m MAGA (or even remotely rightwing), but either way I’m not getting this from the news or any other media; I’m arriving at this conclusion from the reactions of people right here on the Fediverse. Like seriously, compare the outrage at the leak to the outrage (or lack thereof) when Trump announced he was back to bombing Yemen. Everyone has been angrily criticizing the Trump admin for being incompetent and I’ve only seen one person say anything about how that’s better than if they were competently murdering people on the other side of the world.
I don’t see it. There’s some pretty big jumps to get from a to b.
What? That liberals basically don’t care Trump is bombing Yemenis?
Ah-ha, the goalposts move.
No. The incompetence of those responsible is irrelevant.
I’m done, anyway…